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DEBATE: COULD A RANGE OF STATISTICS BE USED TO MEASURE A COUNTRY’S WELLBEING RATHER THAN GDP?
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Using the total value of the goods and services produced in a country over a year as the main statistic to indicate the wellbeing of a country focuses on economic growth to the exclusion of both individuals’ happiness and the environment. Costs to the environment and wellbeing are not reflected in GDP and can even be included as a positive, for example having a large oil industry helps drive economic growth. As a result, less developed countries will be encouraged to undertake rapid growth no matter what the environmental costs. The problem is that GDP is an established benchmark. So is it realistic to consider that a wider range of measures, incorporating environmental and social factors, would encourage more sustainable and environmentally friendly development?
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COULD A RANGE OF STATISTICS BE USED TO MEASURE A COUNTRY’S WELLBEING RATHER THAN GDP?
Health is Wealth!
Success, good marks, top ranks can never be substituted for good health. It is a common saying that "health is wealth." If this is true for us as individuals, then analogously it is true for an entire nation. Ideally, the health of a nation can be monitored by having a range of statistics except the GDP, which is merely the measure of the economic profits. What about factors like - environmental conditions, green cover, CO2 production, social well being and literacy? Thus I agree, that a range of statistics should be used to measure a country's well being.
Such statistics are already used , for a long time undeveloped countries were considered poor 'mainly',because of high crime, child mortality and illiteracy rates.GDP is not currently the only measure of the health of a 'currency' even, why would it be the only measure of the well being of a country? Have you heard of the economist's Big-mac index or www.nationmaster.com? the question asked is of 'could' not 'should' and the answer is that they already 'are' used to measure the well-being of a country.
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COULD A RANGE OF STATISTICS BE USED TO MEASURE A COUNTRY’S WELLBEING RATHER THAN GDP?
Could a range of statistics be used to measure a country's wellbeing rather thanGDP
GDP is the most widely-used measure of economic activity. There are international standards for its calculation, and much thought has gone into its statistical and conceptual bases. Earlier paragraphs have emphasized some of the important areas where more progress is needed in its computation. As statisticians and economists know very well, GDP mainly measures market production – expressed in money units – and as such it is useful. However, it has often been treated as if it were a measure of economic well-being. Conflating the two can lead to misleading indications about how well-off people are and entail the wrong policy decisions. Material living standards are more closely associated with measures of net national income, real household income and consumption – production can expand while income decreases or vice versa when account is taken of depreciation, income flows into and out of a country, and differences between the prices of output and the prices of consumer products.
COULD A RANGE OF STATISTICS BE USED TO MEASURE A COUNTRY’S WELLBEING RATHER THAN GDP?
No GDP Can be used to measure a country's wellbeing rather than statistics
GDP is the most widely-used measure of economic activity. There are international standards for its calculation, and much thought has gone into its statistical and conceptual bases. Earlier paragraphs have emphasized some of the important areas where more progress is needed in its computation. As statisticians and economists know very well, GDP mainly measures market production – expressed in money units – and as such it is useful. However, it has often been treated as if it were a measure of economic well-being. Conflating the two can lead to misleading indications about how well-off people are and entail the wrong policy decisions. Material living standards are more closely associated with measures of net national income, real household income and consumption – production can expand while income decreases or vice versa when account is taken of depreciation, income flows into and out of a country, and differences between the prices of output and the prices of consumer products.
The debate title does not state how we are measuring GDP, simply saying GDP. Obviously the GDP of a country in US$ is very unhelpful when it comes to measuring the wellbeing of any individual. A country with a large population can have a big GDP while each individual is still poor. So India has a GDP of 1,206,684 million US$ while luxembourg of only 54,973 million US$[1] while in GDP per capita is reversed. Luxembourg US$113,044 and India US$1,017.[2] So the GDP per capita is obviously much better at measuring individual wellbeing. This can be further improved upon by looking at GDP by purchacing power parity rather than in nominal US$. When this is done GDP takes into account how much people can buy in the country they live in so taking into account differences in prices.This does take into account things like depreciation and the income flows into and out off a country as it is defined ashttp://www.investorwords.com/2153/GDP.html]]>
- ^ 20008 IMF list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
- ^ GDP PPP using IMF 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
- ^ GDP Definition
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COULD A RANGE OF STATISTICS BE USED TO MEASURE A COUNTRY’S WELLBEING RATHER THAN GDP?
GDP does not consider many factors
The GDP has traditionally been the benchmark for determining the health of an economy and every country strives to achieve higher growth rates. However the GDP overlooks one major fact which is how much are the benefits of the economic growth percolating to the weakest sections of society. Hence i beleive that an approach that compares the economic progress with the purchasing power of the average citizen, and compares that with the cost of living would be a more accurate barometer to judge the wellbeing of an economy.Also these measures require the formation of different benchmarks by income. As the super rich would drive the average income up slightly which would not be presenting an accurate picture.Finally I feel that other non economic factors such as availability of nutrition, primary health care, sanitation and literacy rate should be factors to judge economic well being
.In response to the counter argument.
Im thinking that you;re confused about what the wellbeing of a country means. The argument that physically healthy people are more economically productive is ridiculous. I think the term health refers to the degree of poverty, illeteracy, malnutrition and other economic banes that exist in the country
breathing and living people make money. healthy people are more economically productive. GDP thus measures the overall health of a country.However GDP does not reveal who's making more money or less money or who is healthier/wealthier. GDP does not provide individual comparitive statistics. The gap between the wealth of the rich and poor in developing countries is much greater than that in developed ones. The rich of the entire world(whether from the first or third world) have very similar tastes/quality-of-life/lifestyles. Extremely poor people living in environmentally rich rural settings live longer a lot of the time. Poor people however have a higher M.P.C(marginal propensity to consume). In the end GDP is avery good measure of the 'overall' health of a country BUT not of individuals(which no statistic is)
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COULD A RANGE OF STATISTICS BE USED TO MEASURE A COUNTRY’S WELLBEING RATHER THAN GDP?
Gaps between developing and developed nations.
Application of GDP in measuring country's wellbeing is quite limited. Moreover from its very begining GDP(Gross Domestic Product- products and services produced in a country through a period of one year) was not created for measuring countries' wellbeing, it is an instrument for analysing economic development and growth. And high rates of growth not always mean prosperity and high quality of life for people. The simple example can be India where more than one third of population live in a severe poverty whereas its GDP is quite high.
I agree with the idea that we should use other statistics rather than GDP for measuring a country's weelbeing. Beacause "wellbeing" is not only economic growth but encompasses in itself many other things such as good health which also imply high-quality of health services, security of people's lives which means that you are protected from acts of violence against you and your kin, when a goverment ensures and maintains your rights (ecological rights - which means you have rights to live in the environment which is safe for you and which does not affect your health causing you health problems). To my mind, the very important task at the moment is to develop such analytical instruments for measuring countries' wellbeing which include in themselves or consider as crucial the following criterias (combine several social and economic statistics):
The first is HSSQ (health and social services quality).
NGO's working in healthcare and social and humanitarian assistance sphere monitor everything within a scope of their activities (during assisting government, implementing joint projects and programs and etc.)After gathering the required statistical data NGO's and (there also may be so called GONGO's-government organised nongovernmental organisations), they can provide govermental bodies with the data. And government and its respected bodies can take into
account,using statistics they obtained,exiting realities in a country
throughout the certain period when they make decisions, pass bills in a parliament and undertake certain actions.The second is SELC (Satisfaction with the environment and living conditions within area). It includes in itself a broad range of statistics mostly gathered by environmental NGO's along with Ministries working for protection and preservation
of the environment. First of all, it measures the level of environmental damage people cause to their environment each month or year and how this insignificant, at once, damage can influence people's living conditions in the perspective. It also pays a great attention to the development of production (industries and other manufacture)
and its negative effects on people's living conditions in a ceartain area and the environment as a whole.My point of view is that such kind of synthesized statistics can significantly
enhance the efficiency of governmental actions and will help us in our difficult way towards attaining high standarts of living.
COULD A RANGE OF STATISTICS BE USED TO MEASURE A COUNTRY’S WELLBEING RATHER THAN GDP?
GDP does not accurately represent the standard of living in a country
GDP is just a mathematical value that does not take into consideration many of the factors that affect a person's well-being and thus a nation's well-being. THe fact that GDP used to measure the well being of people just shows that people making the decisions think that material wealth is the ultimate factor to acheive happiness.So, more GDP means, that more goods and services are being produced, but that does not mean people are better off. If its due to ruthless development, its indeed quite the opposite. Whether a person is better off, depends a lot on factors like working conditions, negative externalities, composition of the output, and secret trade.Lets take the USA and France for example. THe USA had a GDP per capita of USD 46, 716 in 2008 while France had 45, 982. Not a big difference, but France trails by a litle.
Now let's consider how well are people off in each country - In the Happy Planet Index, France ranks 71, while the USA ranks 114, just below Madagascar. People in France are much happier than people in the USA. They have better and free healthcare, free education, etc. etc.Besides these two countries, Costa Rica has a GDP much lower than both[1], but its people are considered to be the happiest in the world[2]. Maybe its because it is the 5th best country in the Environmental Performance Index(EPI)[3].Some countries, even though they have low GDPs, its people are better off. Countries that one rarely hears off, have very good life expectancies like in Andorra, Cayman Islands, etc. etc.Besides these facts, other things like freedom of speech and other human rights also play a role here. Even though China has a higher GDP than Bhutan and Sri Lanka, the freedom of the public in terms of speech, etc. is much greater in the latter two countries than in China. People are better off there as they do not have to suffer human rights violations in everday life.GDP can also be misleading if the composition of output is unfavourable. For example, if a country produces most of its goods and services for export or non-counsumer goods, the GDP is high, even though the general people do not have access to cheap consumer goods that will increase their SoL and so they wont be better off.The disparity between rich and poor can also mislead people. For example, Bangladesh's GDP, whatever low amount it is, does not represent the mass people, most of whom live way below the poverty line.
COULD A RANGE OF STATISTICS BE USED TO MEASURE A COUNTRY’S WELLBEING RATHER THAN GDP?
YES and No. These indexes already exist.
That would have been a crucial and brave decision. However it does not necessarily mean that by changing the criteria & the factors, the situation will change for the better.
For example if environmental, social and political factors are taken into account then the listing of rich and poor countries may totally change. Countries that are listed first in GDP index but have a Monarchy or inequality for women, could suddenly displaced in the last positions. Will this lead to drastic changes? Does the new index and listing will affect the destination of the development and economic aid?On the other hand it is not correct to measure development on a financial basis only. Development depends on all the economic, political, social and environmental dimensions. So these factors are prerequisites to measure the wellbeing of a country. This is already known and indexes already exist but sadly no radical changes have take place.A paradox here: how come the Kingdom of Bhutan is among the 50 poorest countries in the World (least developed countries) according to United Nations index, but at the same time it is ranked among the 10 most happiest countries in the world, among Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, almost every year? What is development?International multilateral dialogue and cooperation on equal terms should continuously be encouraged on boardless global issues despite some failures.
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